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Romulus2005	NO CATWOMAN OR BLACK MASK on the 3rd Sequel Film ,		Lead	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 542 07/20/08 11:35 AM	Tags : None For some reason , I would prefer not to have a catwoman appearing at all on the next film. I think it would lower the standard of the sequel in comparison to the last 2 films we saw. Basically I can not see her fit in the current Nolan/Batman universe that easy, I would like to see a new take on a very twisted character in the sequel......Batman has had many villans on the Brave & bold, detective comics as well.... There has to be a new villan. I really don't want most of the characteres we have seen on the 60's TV show..or the previous franchise. Thats why.I wonder what would a guy like riddler will have to gain.??? Outsmarting Batman?....totally useless If done correctly...I think Oswald Coblepot (penguin) as arms dealer is a good start in the right direction, I thnk the reprise and possibly real Death of Dent/two-face in the upcoming 3rd film, would be great........ Providing Mr.Nolan is around for film 3 and the chemistry he has used on the last 2 films.
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greggbray		#1	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 7255 07/20/08 12:04 PM Registered User	I think Nolan can handle iconic villains quite well. Catwoman is one of the 'big four,' if you will: Catwoman, Joker, Penguin, Riddler. I'm sure Nolan could do her justice. Thank you, 6 Joker 9 ! The preceeding post was intended for entertainment purposes only, and is, of course, in my humble opinion. Only friendly conversation was, and continues to be, intended.
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DrkVision		#2	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 0 07/20/08 1:27 PM	Why no Black Mask? You didn't explain that part...
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Deezer1986		#3	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 214 07/20/08 2:07 PM	greggbray wrote: I think Nolan can handle iconic villains quite well. Catwoman is one of the 'big four,' if you will: Catwoman, Joker, Penguin, Riddler. I'm sure Nolan could do her justice. Two Face isn't a part of that? I just don't agree with that....
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gojisan1987		#4	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 187 07/20/08 3:25 PM	I think Nolan can handle iconic villains quite well. Catwoman is one of the 'big four,' if you will: Catwoman, Joker, Penguin, Riddler. I'm sure Nolan could do her justice. Two Face isn't a part of that? I just don't agree with that.... I guess you have to have been both in movies, and the Adam West TV show. And if one must narrow it down to just the "Big 4" then I'd exclude Harvey too. But why narrow it down like that? Make it "Big 5" and have him in there...of course, then what about Mr. Freeze?
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Nilan8888		#5	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 236 07/20/08 4:42 PM	Although I think of those as "the big four" as well, I also acknowledge that it's a misrepresentation of the Batman mythos and was only true for about 6 or 7 years after the '66 tv series was done. Frankly in the true misrepresentation of the mythos now it's "The Big 3" and of the previous 4 the only common villian is the Joker. It's now rounded out by Two-Face and Ra'as Al Ghul. Penguin and the Riddler have faded in importance -- and frankly the Riddler's reputation was BUILT on the '66 tv show since before he was hardly a majot player in the comics -- and Catwoman's identity as a villian has always been somewhat circumspect. As it stands now she might not be "good", but you certainly wouldn't catch her working for any of "The Big 3" with her full knowledge and consent.
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greggbray		#6	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 7255 07/20/08 9:01 PM Registered User	Real quick, as I don't know too many of the respondants too well: I'm a life long Bat fan and Two Face is one of my favorite villains. Were I talking to a comics afficionado, or someone who was familiar with the animated series, Two-Face would positively be on that list. Older generation folks, or those not as familiar with the canon, wouldn't necessarily know of Two-Face outside of (God Help us) Batman Forever...that has changed now, mind you. But of the Batman's villains, I think an argument could be made, that until recently, the most recognizable by a general audience are the four I listed. Having said that, yes, Two-Face is an iconic character, and will be far more memorable to a non-comic-devotee thanks to Eckhardt and Nolan. And if Nolan can do that with Two-Face, imagine what he could do with Catwoman or Black Mask. :) Thank you, 6 Joker 9 ! The preceeding post was intended for entertainment purposes only, and is, of course, in my humble opinion. Only friendly conversation was, and continues to be, intended.
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atalcot		#7	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 59 07/20/08 9:08 PM	I think Catwoman would fit in quite well at this point in the series. She's not a villain, but someone like Batman who is more in the "gray" area. Black Mask was always pretty B-list in my book, and I think we need a break from disfigured villains. Characters like the Riddler and Penguin could work in Nolan's universe as side villains like the Scarecrow was in Begins.
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nicene21		#8	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 128 07/20/08 9:32 PM	i must be like the lone person who doesn't want to see catwoman nor penguin in the 3rd film. they r just too common to constantly see all the time. i'm just saying that there r other villans that can be explored, y is it always the same 1's? i think nolan has made the series different from the previous & i like that. he hasn't followed to what's been done before & i see no reason to do it now. & in all honesty, i can't stand catwoman anyways. i know that these r favorite/popular characters but i would hope to see others as well. don't know who but another different villan. just my opinion but i have a strong feeling that either both of these characters will be in the next or 1 of them & right now, i'm thinking catwoman since there's no female lead anymore.
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DrkVision		#9	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 0 07/20/08 9:59 PM	Black Mask was always pretty B-list in my book Why?
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VRICH		#10	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 2312 07/20/08 11:45 PM	Black Mask .. IMO , would be soo perfect for the next film 6J9 He's the hero that Gotham deserves But not the one it needs right now And so we'll hunt him.. Because he can take it Because he's not our hero.. He's a silent guardian A watchful protector.. A DARK KNIGHT. THE DARK KNIGHT
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fotimac1		#11	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 625 07/20/08 11:59 PM	hush would be a great candidate. but i'm afraid we probably will be seeing catwoman in three, why else would fox mention cats when he's talking about the new suit?
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Super Galvatron		#12	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 847 07/21/08 1:50 AM	I really don't think there is anything such as a "big four" anymore. Only the Joker has been able to successfully adapt to the modern era of Batman comics in such a complete way as to retain his position amongst the Rogues' Gallery. That's probably the reason he has developed into the true arch-nemesis of Batman. He's a malleable character that can fit with any style, whether we are talking Adam West or Christian Bale. The Riddler and The Penguin just haven't carried over as well. They certainly have a place, but they aren't the ultimate threats that they used to be. Catwoman has become more of a romantic interest, anti-hero than a villain. And even as a villain she is pretty lackluster. A cat-burglar just doesn't match up to the intensity that a character like Joker, Two-Face, or Scarecrow brings to the proceedings. I would agree that currently, Joker, Two-Face, and Ra's are probably at the top of the list of the Rogues' Gallery. While I'm not interested at all in seeing Catwoman, with the fine job Nolan has done adapting the past four supervillains, I'm sure he will be able to put together something good no matter who he uses in his next film.
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greggbray		#13	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 7255 07/21/08 5:49 AM Registered User	^ With regard to the big four comment I had made--again, I was talking about recognizability to 'joe six-pack' pre-Nolan. Catwoman, please. :) Thank you, 6 Joker 9 ! The preceeding post was intended for entertainment purposes only, and is, of course, in my humble opinion. Only friendly conversation was, and continues to be, intended.
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gojisan1987		#14	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 187 07/21/08 8:12 AM	hush would be a great candidate. but i'm afraid we probably will be seeing catwoman in three, why else would fox mention cats when he's talking about the new suit? I'm sure there was innuendo there, but didn't he mention cats because he asked Bruce if he got attacked by a tiger, to which he replied no, dogs? Or am I crossing scenes here?
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Mistah K88		#15	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 14 07/21/08 2:13 PM	In regards to the big four, it's moreso who is more reconizable to people besides Batman fans rather than level of threat. Ra's is obviously the biggest threat to Batman and the world, but the average citizen who doesn't know much about Batman wouldn't have a clue who he is. They would reconize Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, and Riddler (Riddler doesn't really deserve the spot though I agree with, he showed up in the late 1940's [1948] instead of the early 1940's so his spotlight is based on Frank Gorshin making the character popular). I suppose it is the 1966 movie's fault for engraving these villains in people's minds as well as the Burton/Schumacher series using these 4 villains first...Also, I guess the cartoons happen to mess with ths as well...just not so much with Riddler anymore cause I guess he's a little hard to write for keeping it in a 30 minute slot. I'm one of the only people who want to see the Penguin done in this series of flms. Howeverm, I acknowledge that Penguin himself as a main villain cannot carry a movie alone. Joker is one of the only one on Batman's rougues who can have the movie to himself. He's just so varied that anything could work for him. I do want to see some villains not done as well, a lot of them would have to get roles like Scarecrow had... I would indeed like to see Catwoman, I would like it if Batman doesn't find out who she is in one movie...Heck, she's just a theif who happens to love the chase. She might figure with all of these freaks and gangsters in Gotham she's underneath the Batman's attention.
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preacherfan		#16	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 989 07/21/08 9:20 PM	For a 2 and 1/2 hour movie Nolan has had more than just one villain in both movies but yet their stories somehow mesh together. Scarecrow and Ra's in BB and Joker and 2 face in TDK. I would suspect then that we will get at least 2 villains for the next one. Interesting enough though, is the fact that Nolan used 2 villains that were not as popular for the first movie.(for those outside of the Batman mainstream) Joker in TDK is definitely what has brought the records. Joker is part of culture. You could see his picture on a shirt long before the announcement that he was in TDK. EVERYBODY knows about Joker. This is going to be the challenge for the next one. That's why they need to focus on other aspects of Batman history besides just the villain to have a good follow up. Give us back a new cave and batmobile(tumbler)and Wayne manor! Anyway, this is going to be very interesting in how this all unfolds.
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atalcot		#17	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 59 07/23/08 12:17 PM	I don't want to make it sound like I dislike Black Mask, but he just never seemed that interesting compared to some of the other villains (He also looks too much like Red Skull from Captain America). Plus, wasn't he a burn victim? I think we've already covered that territory with Two-Face.
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BatCatFever		#18	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 1074 07/23/08 12:55 PM	catwoman can wake bale up from his coma
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bagman39		#19	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 16 07/24/08 1:47 AM	I think Catwoman would work perfectly, so far we have one single scene where Batman has inspired people to clean up Gotham (which was his original goal in BB) which wasn't really what he wanted, Selina Kyle could be the perfect person to have been inspired by Batman, but after being shunned by him as a partner type she could then become a 'bad guy', whatever you want. Also would a love interest for Batman. I think Two-Face should remain dead simply because his death was the perfect ending for the entirety of TDK (much like the ending of "Stranger Than Fiction" except the author decides to kill off Will Ferrell as opposed to how it happened). Harley Quinn could also work well and still give the Joker power from inside Arkham without needing to show him however she would be a more bit villain. Riddler could easily work as well. Penguin as armsdealer Oswald Cobblepot (as per Romulus) could also make a cameo at the beginning as the mob try to regain their power. There are lots of villains that could be updated for Nolan's vision.
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bat lugosi		#20	[url]	[-]
BOF'er Posts: 9630 07/24/08 9:52 AM Registered User	I have no interest in Hush or Black mask, Deadshot, or any of those guys..............BORING! So give me THE Riddler. Not so much that he's recognizable, I'm just very interested and believe Nolan could make another kick ass movie with him as The Villian, the gimmick is part of the interest, how far could Nolan go with that? I have no interest in Talia, Vicky Vale, or any of the others, and if you think a certain femme fatale would be hard to do in Nolan's universe ( give me a break, she's actually an easier character to tackle in this universe ) I think Nolan would have a much harder time with Freeze, Poison Ivy, Croc, Man-Bat, and Clay Face. So give me Catwoman. They will have a challenge in making it fresh and different, but I think she could fit in easily, I think she should be a villain and start off a little more villianous and then become more of a love interest.
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